tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37983535.post4677116540314774499..comments2023-10-22T01:48:29.378-07:00Comments on SlowZen... Again: SUICIDE!SlowZenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10589294912054724123noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37983535.post-37400277404989672482009-06-11T16:10:43.389-07:002009-06-11T16:10:43.389-07:00Hey Curator, thanks for your input.
I have to adm...Hey Curator, thanks for your input.<br /><br />I have to admit that up until about a half an hour ago I had a similarly fatalistic attitude towards getting promoted. I am getting old for a Marine and have been getting passed over for promotion for a few years. I had totally given up the idea of getting promoted. I had no expectation of getting selected. But I just found out that my name is on the select grade roster for this year and I should pin on the chevrons the first of next month. So as my friend Ted says, the light at the end of the tunnel might just be you!SlowZenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10589294912054724123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37983535.post-89603565407389216322009-06-11T15:31:09.869-07:002009-06-11T15:31:09.869-07:00I do, and always have, completely agree with your ...I do, and always have, completely agree with your opinions on the subject, But to give a little extra insight into the mind of a suicidal person, especially the ones who have battled it most of their lives using those same arguments to convince themselves not to do it... You keep trying to dig through the dirt, you keep your head held high and you keep soldiering on, bt the dirt keeps coming, and all yo have to live for is the few occasional breaths of stale trapped air you find as you keep digging higher even though the dirt keeps getting deeper above you, you get tired, your fingers start to bleed, your lungs are burning from the lack of oxygen... there comes a point where it all just piles up and you just dont feel like digging any more...<br /><br />Im not saying suicide is the right choice in that scenario,In fact I believe suicide is one of the most selfish acts a person can commit in most situations, there is always a chance you finally find a way to break through... <br /><br />But It is understandable why some one would want to just give up and take the easy way out when all they can feel and see is the dirt blinding their eyes and clogging their throat... to them it feels like they are already mostly dead, they are just finishing the Job...Curatorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01188513480884458214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37983535.post-25710568478329110062009-06-11T11:22:45.009-07:002009-06-11T11:22:45.009-07:00Molly,
Thanks, I am not to familiar with the Bardo...Molly,<br />Thanks, I am not to familiar with the Bardos but I do recall a story of Gautama Buddha being attacked by bandits and him explaining to them that if he died by violent means that he would not be able to enter nirvana. <br /><br />NellaLou, Thank you for your encouraging words.<br /><br /><br />Anonymous at 5:59 & 3:35, I am regretful that I can’t really empathize with the concept of guilt. I am just not wired for it. Which I am sure frustrated my mother to no end as I was growing up and possibly caused me a bit of trouble too. What I have been trying to do for several years now is reprogram my self for is compassion. It was my intention to invoke a feeling of compassion and empathy for others rather than guilt. <br /><br />I do appreciate both of you for having the courage to leave a comment. <br /><br />I imagine there are as many different ways to react to what I wrote as there are people. This is not exactly a pleasant subject so unfavorable reactions were kind of expected. <br /><br />For the record, I did not write “suicide is cowardly.” I did write that it was “Taking the easy way out” which is a fairly common view that I put in quotation marks because it was in the original correspondence that I read which triggered this post. <br /><br />For what it’s worth, I am glad to be having this dialog with you. <br />Thank you.SlowZenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10589294912054724123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37983535.post-22922026590656866092009-06-11T03:35:22.495-07:002009-06-11T03:35:22.495-07:00"I can tell you one thing that suicidal peopl..."I can tell you one thing that suicidal people do NOT need is the guilt trip approach--"suicide is cowardly, think of how much you'd hurt your family and friends, etc." <br /><br />For me that was actually one thing that stopped me. "I'm not going to give in". "I'm not going to let THEM win". <br /><br />There was a bridge that was good for jumping off with a large drop onto concrete. I thought "What if I surived. I'd look such a loser - cannot even kill himself properly".<br /><br />So in the end I decided that no matter how much life sucked being alive was better than being dead because life could get better but dead never ended.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37983535.post-68112892544304729752009-06-10T17:59:05.033-07:002009-06-10T17:59:05.033-07:00I understand your post, but I also think a lot of ...I understand your post, but I also think a lot of people who have not experienced depression to the degree that a suicidal person has can not understand the level of distress and trauma. <br />There is also a certain kind of skewed thinking that comes into play when one is in that state of mind that is atypical. Some months back, I'd decided to kill myself on a sunny Sunday afternoon. I went to the local Dick's sporting goods and began sizing up shotguns, noticing which had shorter barrels so that I might better fit them under my chin, and also which ones were on sale--the last purchase I'd ever make, you think I might splurge a little, but I'm pretty frugal. Anyway, that afternoon, it made sense. Then I couldn't make up my mind on which gun or whether to do it or something, and I went home...<br />This kind of thinking is something I don't think most people would understand. I can tell you one thing that suicidal people do NOT need is the guilt trip approach--"suicide is cowardly, think of how much you'd hurt your family and friends, etc." That's one sure way to shut down the dialogue. I don't know what the answer is, but wanted to throw in another perspectiveAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37983535.post-48103324218121262332009-06-10T17:28:26.752-07:002009-06-10T17:28:26.752-07:00Good post Jordan. People in dire psych/emotional s...Good post Jordan. People in dire psych/emotional situations need both dharma and practical responses. Real world stuff-one of many reasons your blog is so good.NellaLouhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07247769132258539996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37983535.post-42259673584984972502009-06-10T07:46:14.889-07:002009-06-10T07:46:14.889-07:00What a post, Jordan. Yeah, I too think it is takin...What a post, Jordan. Yeah, I too think it is taking the easy way out, as opposed to being with suffering, but I've never walked in a suicidal person's shoes, so alas, it can only be my opinion.<br /><br />In my study of the Bardos, it seems that it is insinuated that yes, in fact, the consciousness does go on in an angry agitated state. That sounds like hell to me.mollyhttp://destinationthejourney.comnoreply@blogger.com